S 02 | Ep 22 Stop Passing the Hot Potato : Leadership in Sustainability Magalie Anderson spent her early career on offshore oil rigs before rising to become Chief Sustainability and Innovation Officer at Holcim , one of the world ' s largest construction materials companies . She now serves on the board of Anglo American and the Capitals Coalition , and mentors startups through Creative Destruction Lab . Her work sits at the intersection of deep operational experience and long - term systems change . Magalie opens with a frank assessment of where the sustainability conversation has stalled , from greenwashing backlash to the growing fatalism she sees among people who have simply stopped believing meaningful change is possible . She argues that the real obstacle is not a lack of scientific awareness but a failure to align financial incentives with sustainability goals at every level of an organization . Using examples from concrete manufacturing to washing machines to lighting , Magalie makes the case that shifting from selling products to delivering services fundamentally rewires what companies are motivated to build and how long they want it to last . She also shares the internal influence strategies she used to get Holcim ' s net zero pledge approved , including building grassroots support before ever entering the boardroom and framing the proposal through the lens of ambition rather than obligation .